Comments on: To Conspire or Not To Conspire http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire Appreciate The Good Stuff Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:32:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Double C http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-572 Double C Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-572 Let's be fair to Jimmy actually. (I can't believe I'm going to write this.) Jimmy pushed the Cavs past the Wizards last year. He came up big when it mattered. Based on her performance on Jan 8., I'm blaming Kristen's friend for the Sunball Slump and Indians' losses more than Jimmy. She is a hex to end all hexes-- the jinx to end all jinxes. Actually, maybe we all need to learn a lesson from the Jimmy Gribben era. He was a jinx. We all thought he was. But then we told him he was. We basically berated him and told him to never come over during a game. He then owned up to it, repented, and actually helped bring about a win for the Cavs by standing outside of our apartment for close to an hour.....SportsCentury and Beyond: Jimmy Gribben, will return after these messages. Let’s be fair to Jimmy actually. (I can’t believe I’m going to write this.) Jimmy pushed the Cavs past the Wizards last year. He came up big when it mattered. Based on her performance on Jan 8., I’m blaming Kristen’s friend for the Sunball Slump and Indians’ losses more than Jimmy. She is a hex to end all hexes– the jinx to end all jinxes. Actually, maybe we all need to learn a lesson from the Jimmy Gribben era. He was a jinx. We all thought he was. But then we told him he was. We basically berated him and told him to never come over during a game. He then owned up to it, repented, and actually helped bring about a win for the Cavs by standing outside of our apartment for close to an hour…..SportsCentury and Beyond: Jimmy Gribben, will return after these messages.

]]> By: Sawkick Mamba http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-570 Sawkick Mamba Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:24:58 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-570 That 93 game winning season was fun all summer, including august and september, that is until the last week when the curse of all curses jimmy gribben ruined everything That 93 game winning season was fun all summer, including august and september, that is until the last week when the curse of all curses jimmy gribben ruined everything

]]> By: J-Man http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-568 J-Man Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:21:06 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-568 I would say I feel for you, however the Indians were a team two seassons ago who won 93 games and didn't make the playoffs. Sure we shit down our leg in the last series against the Black Soxs. But that still burns the ass hotter and longer then anything in quite some time. At least for us Cleveland fans. But don't worry if the sports fixing is ture the Cubs will be getting theirs very soon base on our past few World Series winners. I would say I feel for you, however the Indians were a team two seassons ago who won 93 games and didn’t make the playoffs. Sure we shit down our leg in the last series against the Black Soxs. But that still burns the ass hotter and longer then anything in quite some time. At least for us Cleveland fans. But don’t worry if the sports fixing is ture the Cubs will be getting theirs very soon base on our past few World Series winners.

]]> By: Ryan http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-567 Ryan Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:12:16 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-567 I sure as hell hope the damn MLB puts some fixings for my cubbies this year. I don't know if I can take another summer of crotch kick losses. I sure as hell hope the damn MLB puts some fixings for my cubbies this year. I don’t know if I can take another summer of crotch kick losses.

]]> By: J-Man http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-566 J-Man Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:10:01 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-566 Well this is not to say that every big NFL game is fixed to keep it close or miss a call here, give a call there. I am sure they choose the games wisely and only on a what they believe is a \"Must Fix\" game. Chicago and NO eh I think the ratings power of each team is a wash. Let us not forget that sometimes no matter what calls are made the better team will just beat the shit out of the other team. We agreed that under no circumstance do we feel the players themselves are in on such riggory. And there is only so much a ref can do. The players ultimately have the most controlling power in the out come of a game, and more often then not have the power to overcome the influence of the refs. I am not saying all games are fixed, I am not even saying with certainty that some games are fixed. My point is that in my years of watching sports there have been to many instances of question for me not to at least entertain the idea that a third party might have a hand in the outcome of a professional contest. And sometimes it is just easier to help me deal with my pain and anguish. Go Cavs and soon to be Go Tribe! Well this is not to say that every big NFL game is fixed to keep it close or miss a call here, give a call there. I am sure they choose the games wisely and only on a what they believe is a \”Must Fix\” game. Chicago and NO eh I think the ratings power of each team is a wash.

Let us not forget that sometimes no matter what calls are made the better team will just beat the shit out of the other team. We agreed that under no circumstance do we feel the players themselves are in on such riggory. And there is only so much a ref can do. The players ultimately have the most controlling power in the out come of a game, and more often then not have the power to overcome the influence of the refs.

I am not saying all games are fixed, I am not even saying with certainty that some games are fixed. My point is that in my years of watching sports there have been to many instances of question for me not to at least entertain the idea that a third party might have a hand in the outcome of a professional contest.

And sometimes it is just easier to help me deal with my pain and anguish.

Go Cavs and soon to be Go Tribe!

]]> By: Ryan http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-565 Ryan Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:59:02 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-565 College sports yes, and history has proven that because those college kids can be paid something thats actually significantly more than what they are making. Pro refs, possible. Networks of course want close games for ratings, but in essence, arent most playoff games close simple because its the playoffs and teams are simply better and more apt to play well than regular season games which result in blowouts? College sports yes, and history has proven that because those college kids can be paid something thats actually significantly more than what they are making. Pro refs, possible. Networks of course want close games for ratings, but in essence, arent most playoff games close simple because its the playoffs and teams are simply better and more apt to play well than regular season games which result in blowouts?

]]> By: Sawkick Mamba http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-564 Sawkick Mamba Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:55:08 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-564 Both games proved there was no fix on yesterday. And i rarely even believe in it. My sports conspiracy theories, as double c knows full well after arguing endless hours about, come from deep seeded gambling losses that slipped from the jaws of victory. That is primarily why I quit gambling. More or less I didnt lose that much money, but you never remember the wins you didnt deserve nearly as much as the bad beats just like in poker. I quit betting on sports b/c it tainted my entrie outlook on sports. Also, conspiracy theories are a lot more to talk about in cleveland because there is no realistic possibility of the browns ever turning around over night like the saints did from 3-13 to NFC title game. So that was more of an alibi. However, I do think both college bball especially and College football could be rigged if someone with a lot of money on a game pays off some key players to point shave. I also agree with joseph about the networks and the refs, but 53 players is too much. Both games proved there was no fix on yesterday. And i rarely even believe in it. My sports conspiracy theories, as double c knows full well after arguing endless hours about, come from deep seeded gambling losses that slipped from the jaws of victory. That is primarily why I quit gambling. More or less I didnt lose that much money, but you never remember the wins you didnt deserve nearly as much as the bad beats just like in poker. I quit betting on sports b/c it tainted my entrie outlook on sports. Also, conspiracy theories are a lot more to talk about in cleveland because there is no realistic possibility of the browns ever turning around over night like the saints did from 3-13 to NFC title game. So that was more of an alibi. However, I do think both college bball especially and College football could be rigged if someone with a lot of money on a game pays off some key players to point shave. I also agree with joseph about the networks and the refs, but 53 players is too much.

]]> By: Ryan http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-563 Ryan Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:35:26 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-563 But wouldnt you think they would have liked to make the Bears-Saints game close, with all the "hurricane" storylines? You know, like NOT calling the intentional grounding since a flag wasnt thrown till AFTER a refs meeting. I think refs can be bought, but I even have reservations about that and how nobody has come out and named names, and pointed to exact times when its happened. But wouldnt you think they would have liked to make the Bears-Saints game close, with all the “hurricane” storylines? You know, like NOT calling the intentional grounding since a flag wasnt thrown till AFTER a refs meeting. I think refs can be bought, but I even have reservations about that and how nobody has come out and named names, and pointed to exact times when its happened.

]]> By: J-Man http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-562 J-Man Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:32:08 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-562 Well said Ryan, way to take it to him. Allow me to state Saw*Kick Mamba's "conspiracy" does not reflect the views of Saw*Kick Radio, and are that of his own opinion. I will say that TV networks and different media outlets have the biggest stake in fixing games. I think it wouldn't be to far fetched for NFL officals to be told, "Keep this game close" to avoid blows and poor ratings. Because in the end thats what it all comes down to, ratings. The largest contributing factor for tamporing with athletic contests. Well said Ryan, way to take it to him. Allow me to state Saw*Kick Mamba’s “conspiracy” does not reflect the views of Saw*Kick Radio, and are that of his own opinion.

I will say that TV networks and different media outlets have the biggest stake in fixing games. I think it wouldn’t be to far fetched for NFL officals to be told, “Keep this game close” to avoid blows and poor ratings. Because in the end thats what it all comes down to, ratings. The largest contributing factor for tamporing with athletic contests.

]]> By: Ryan http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-559 Ryan Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:12:55 +0000 http://sawkick.com/articles/2007/01/to-conspire-or-not-to-conspire#comment-559 So Saw-Kick, please explain how the NFL is rigged in more detail than simply "the NFL is rigged"....How and what can you possibly pay an NFL athlete to throw a game when they are making ten times that amount in a contract? You could come up with a story and sub-plot for every matchup with FA and coaching changes. If the Colts were fixed to win that game, why would the Gafney call been ruled a TD when based on the refs judgement. That would be the perfect place to screw the Pats, when judgement call is to be made. Come on man, get serious. I can see refs maybe getting paid off, but bad calls are in EVERY game. That silly roughing the passer call on Peyton was clearly horrible, but that same pathetic call has been made all year long. And please explain how NO player, in the history of the NFL has spoken of this. With all the players the NFL screws over with it's injury and retirement compensations, not one pissed off ex-player would like to talk and make MILLIONS of dollars with books, magazine articles, etc. And why would they make Peyton wait 9 years? Why would they let the Pats win 3 in 4 years when they want the NFL to be wide-open? It just doesn't make any sense. And was Bettis really that important to the league that they would make the Steelers win the Super Bowl? Are you kidding me? Why not Brett Favre this year? He's meant more to an entire state than Bettis ever meant. Sorry pal, the "conspiracy" theory doesn't hold water. Way too many people would have to be in on it and WAY too many people would have to be quiet, even when the rigged NFL screws them over. So Saw-Kick, please explain how the NFL is rigged in more detail than simply “the NFL is rigged”….How and what can you possibly pay an NFL athlete to throw a game when they are making ten times that amount in a contract? You could come up with a story and sub-plot for every matchup with FA and coaching changes. If the Colts were fixed to win that game, why would the Gafney call been ruled a TD when based on the refs judgement. That would be the perfect place to screw the Pats, when judgement call is to be made. Come on man, get serious. I can see refs maybe getting paid off, but bad calls are in EVERY game. That silly roughing the passer call on Peyton was clearly horrible, but that same pathetic call has been made all year long.

And please explain how NO player, in the history of the NFL has spoken of this. With all the players the NFL screws over with it’s injury and retirement compensations, not one pissed off ex-player would like to talk and make MILLIONS of dollars with books, magazine articles, etc.

And why would they make Peyton wait 9 years? Why would they let the Pats win 3 in 4 years when they want the NFL to be wide-open? It just doesn’t make any sense. And was Bettis really that important to the league that they would make the Steelers win the Super Bowl? Are you kidding me? Why not Brett Favre this year? He’s meant more to an entire state than Bettis ever meant. Sorry pal, the “conspiracy” theory doesn’t hold water. Way too many people would have to be in on it and WAY too many people would have to be quiet, even when the rigged NFL screws them over.

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